Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Christ the Lord Is Risen Today

This page is an archive of the proposed deletion of the article below. Further comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or on a Votes for Undeletion nomination). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the debate was KEEP: 13k, 2d. No choice but to discount Dunc's vote as it has already been Transwikied, and no alternative is given. -Splash 21:04, 23 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Christ the Lord Is Risen Today[edit]

For prior VFD discussions related to this one, see Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jesus Christ (Christ the Lord) is Risen Today and Talk:Love Divine, All Loves Excelling.

The listing is simply the name and composer/composition date of the song, along with the lyrics. This would probably be better at Wikisource, provided they except songs. It's not really an encyclopedia article, and not particularly encyclopedic. Essjay · Talk 12:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Delete Article is a source text, not an encyclopedia article. Transwiki to Wikisource if they accept songs, if not, delete. There are other lyrics sites out there. -- Essjay · Talk 12:19, July 17, 2005 (UTC) My delete vote stands after reviewing the rewrite. The information in the article could easily be inserted in the Wikisource entry; an encyclopedia entry should do more than say who wrote it and when. -- Essjay · Talk 15:21, July 17, 2005 (UTC) Having seen the re-re-write, with the explaination of the different versions, I believe the article should now stay. It now establishes why someone might look this up in an encyclopedia: They're confused as hell about why there are twenty different versions! Keep. -- Essjay · Talk 12:41, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
Transwiki if appropriate, otherwise, Delete. --Blu Aardvark | ^{(talk) | (contribs)} 12:21, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Vote changed to Keep Article has been expanded, and appears to be enyclopedic material now. --Blu Aardvark | ^{(talk) | (contribs)} 10:10, 22 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Transwiki to wikisource. Dunc|☺ 12:55, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Please check Wikisource before nominating things to be transwikied. Wikisource already has Christ the Lord Is Risen Today and most of the other hymns written by Charles Wesley. I've removed the primary source text from the article and replaced it with an interwiki link, just as was suggested in the VFD discussion of another hymn by Charles Wesley, "Love Divine, All Loves Excelling". (The discussion is at Talk:Love Divine, All Loves Excelling.) Please re-read the article and consider other courses of action. Uncle G 13:33, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the rewritten stub. Notable hymn. Pburka 15:02, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Gamaliel 15:18, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and expand. Well-known hymn.Capitalistroadster 16:51, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. And, er, thanks for getting it stuck in my head. This is a major hymn. Jesus Christ is Risen Today should be made as a redirect if this survives. -Aranel ("Sarah") 17:22, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- You're welcome. : - ) I realize it's a major hymn; I sang for three different churches last Easter and it was used at all three. My question is: Is it something to be included in an encyclopedia?
Keep. Well-known hymn. --Idont Havaname 23:09, 17 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Just because this is a major hymn does not validate this pathetic article. Denni ☯ 23:15, 2005 July 17 (UTC)
Keep, I've tried to expand the article a bit. Note, however, that "Jesus Christ is risen today" is a different hymn. This article is about "Christ the Lord is risen today, Alleluia! Sons of men and angels say. Alleluia! Raise your joys and triumphs high, Alleluia! Sing, ye heavens, and earth reply, Allelulia!" The other hymn (which I at least know much better) is an anonymous translation of an anonymous Latin hymn, and it goes "Jesus Christ is risen today, Alleluia! Our triumphant holy day, Alleluia! Who did once upon the cross, Alleluia! Suffer to redeem our loss!" --Angr/_{tɔk tə mi} 07:03, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
- Whilst several hymnals list them as different hymns, note that the final and antepenultimate verses of the former hymn are in fact the first and second verses of the latter one. Uncle G 10:37, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm disputing this; I checked a Disciples of Christ hymnal and a Catholic hymnal (see the talk page) and they have different texts. The music seems to be interchangible, but the text is not the same. -- Essjay · Talk 11:12, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
    - To dispute that the verses are identical is odd. The text of the translated Latin hymn quoted by Angr above can be easily compared with the final verse of Christ the Lord Is Risen Today. Uncle G 11:42, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  - I've posted the text of my hymnal at the talk page. It's demonstrably different. Perhaps it's printed with alternate text elsewhere? -- Essjay · Talk 12:30, July 18, 2005 (UTC)
Delete as per Denni. JamesBurns 08:40, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep...it is an historically important Easter hymn, very important in Methodism, and there is much to say about it other than a simple text and dates. KHM03 12:54, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable hymn, explication possible and useful. Xoloz 17:35, 18 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Words have gone to WikiSource; entry is now encyclopaedic. Peter Ellis 04:20, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep - WP is open to articles on all sorts of topics and subjects. Tolkien minutia is welcome here, but not articles about hymns? -Acjelen 04:27, 20 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as rewritten, is at least as significant as Layla. Dsmdgold 03:14, July 22, 2005 (UTC)

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